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If you were suddenly transported to 400 km altitude (in a space suit) and dropped from there, you would not orbit the Earth, you would fall down, your vertical speed increasing rapidly. After [[attachment:Fall400km.ods | 260 seconds]], you would plunge through the 100 km altitude Kármán line at 2330 meters per second, [[ http://launchloop.com/Atmosphere | 8 times the speed of sound ]] at that altitude, but you would notice nothing, a 0.3 Pascal pressure force added to the 100 kPa (100,000 Pascal( air pressure in your suit. === A 400 kilometer drop from Space Station altitude, zero orbital velocity ===

If you were suddenly transported to 400 km altitude (in a space suit) and dropped from there, you would not orbit the Earth, You would fall down, your vertical speed increasing rapidly. After [[attachment:Fall400km.ods | 260 seconds]], you would plunge through the 100 km altitude Kármán line at 2330 meters per second, [[ http://launchloop.com/Atmosphere | 8 times the speed of sound ]] at that altitude, but you would notice nothing, a 0.3 Pascal pressure force added to the 100 kPa (100,000 Pascal( air pressure in your suit.
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 . Launch Loop (2017 design) vehicles reach orbital velocity at 100 km altitude, 0.5 ppm of surface density, so the drag pressure is 140 times lower. Passenger vehicles may fail to achieve orbit, and must be capable of reentry, but these will be heat-shield and parachute reentries into the ocean, perhaps 20 degrees west of the launch loop for vehicles intended for low earth orbit destinations, and 100 degrees west for GEO-bound vehicles.  . Launch Loop (2017 design) vehicles reach orbital velocity at 100 km altitude, 0.5 ppm of surface density, so the drag pressure is 140 times lower. Passenger vehicles may fail to enter orbit (they require an additional small rocket burn half an orbit later, to circularize the orbit at destination altitude), and must be capable of reentry, but these will be heat-shield and parachute reentries into the ocean, perhaps 20 degrees west of the launch loop for vehicles intended for low earth orbit destinations, and 100 degrees west for GEO-bound vehicles.
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MoreLater '''Takeaway lesson:''' Reentry slowdown occurs 50 to 80 kilometers above the surface, and the slowdown forces double every 5 kilometers deeper into the atmosphere.

=== Mountains ===

7000 meter mountains seem impressive to 2 meter human beings, but they are trivial bumps compared to the depth of the atmosphere or the 12,740,000 meter diameter of the Earth. Scaled to the diameter of a 57mm billiard ball, these mountains would be 30 micrometers high; P500 fine-grit polishing-grade sandpaper. Indeed, a 100 kilometer joyride to the "edge of space" is only half a millimeter compared to the billiard ball - beard stubble.

The excuse for space-launch schemes involving mountains is that the air is thinner up there, less drag. But remember that the space shuttle Columbia was torn apart by aerodynamic forces at 70 kilometers altitude, where air density is 70 ppm of surface density. The air at the top of Mount Everest is 400,000 ppm of surface density, 6,000 times higher. Columbia was slowing from orbit, reentering, not trying to punch through the atmosphere into orbit.

400 km altitude low earth orbits follow the curve of the earth, the equivalent of 2 millimeters above the surface a the billiard ball. Practically speaking, they are parallel to the surface.

 . On a round airless body like the Moon, an orbit can skim relatively close to the surface; the Apollo 11 command module orbited 62 kilometers above the Moon, and could have orbited down to 15 km ([citation needed], that is perilune for the initial LM descent orbit) for an emergency rendezvous with a disabled lunar module. For comparison, the cruise altitude of the Concorde SST was 17 to 18 km, and the U2 flew at 21 km altitude.

Transfer orbits in vacuum, like the ascent of the lunar module, are zero-gee ellipses; at the peri-apse (closest) and apo-apse (farthest) portions of their orbits, they are also parallel to the surface of the body they orbit. They oscillate radially, smoothly, and their radial distance approximates a sine wave if the difference between periapse and apoapse is relatively small. For Earth, periapse is called perigee, and apoapse is called apogee. For [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsis | other bodies ]]:

|| || peri = near || apo = far ||
|| general || periapse || apoapse ||
|| Earth || perigee || apogee ||
|| Moon (as "Luna") || perilune || apolune ||
|| Moon (as "Selene") || periselene || aposelene ||
|| Moon (as "??????") || pericynthion || apocynthion ||
|| Sun (as "Helios") || perihelion || aphelion ||
|| Star ( as "astra") || periastron || apastron ||

If a mountaintop launch is into an elliptical transfer orbit (say, to LEO) that transfer orbit is '''parallel''' to the Earth's surface, and travels thousands of kilometers through very thick atmosphere. Much thicker atmosphere (6000 times denser) than spacecraft of average density use to '''slow down and reenter'''.

"Ah", I can hear you object, "of course won't launch parallel, we will launch up the side of the mountain, going up through the atmosphere at a '''steep angle''').

I don't know about the mountains of your imagination, but the tall mountains that I know about are rarely steeper than 40 degrees from base to peak. From the Khumbu ice fall to the peak of Everest is a 28 degree slope, 2.8 kilometers vertical rise in a 5.1 kilometer horizontal distance. A deep tunnel dug from Everest base camp in the west to the peak of Everest in the east would cover about 7.6 kilometers of horizontal distance, and 3.5 kilometers vertical distance, perhaps 8500 meters of curved then flat sloped acceleration track.

Good luck [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel | digging that tunnel]], and [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Village_Electrification_Program | connecting gigawatts of power lines ]] to it.

A vehicle accelerating in a vacuum tunnel from 0 to 8000 meters per second over 8500 meters distance must accelerate at $ a = v^2 / 2 d $ = 8000² / 2 * 8500 = 3765 m/s², or 385 gees. You will spill your drink, as you are '''smashed into goo''' of the same consistency. If this is a 5000 kilogram vehicle, near the exit it will require a power level of $ P = m a v $ = 5000 * 3765 * 8000 = 150 gigawatts, 9% of all of China's 1650 gigawatts of electric generation.

When the vehicle containing your liqufied remains leaves the vacuum tunnel, it will slam into a wall of 0.45 kg/m³ air at an altitude of 8.5 km (below cruise altitude for most jet passenger aircraft). Assuming a 1 square meter vehicle cross section times drag coefficient, the drag force is 0.45 * 8000² = 28.8 !MegaNewtons, which will slow down the vehicle by 5760 m/s², or about '''590 gees'''. Tough luck - in the remaining atmosphere, you will '''lose all your velocity''' and smack into the next mountain to the west of Everest.

Even if we send the atmosphere off to the cleaners to scrub out all US and Chinese electric generation exhaust, our troubles are not over. You are leaving the Earth at a 30 degree angle, not horizontal to the surface; you will be in an ellipse that intersects the Earth. your velocity is 8000 meters per second, but your horizontal velocity is "only" 8000 cos( 30⁰ ) = 6930 m/s Using equations from [[ http://server-sky.com/NearCircularOrbit | this Server Sky page ]], we learn that the semimajor axis for a launch at circular orbit velocity but elevated above the surface by an angle of 30⁰ results in an eccentricity e = sin( 30⁰ ) = 0.5, to the perigee is (1-e) a = 3193 km, and the apogee is (1+e) a = 9579 km. This orbit will arc above the earth for an apogee about 90⁰ to the east, then slam into the Earth's surface about 180⁰ to the east, on the far side of the earth.

With a large additional delta V at apogee, the perigee can be raised above the Earth, but sadly, your apogee rocket will get smashed to goo by the launch acceleration.

Oh - and how are you going to do that accelerator? [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#U.S._Navy_tests | Railguns are ablative ]], and do more damage to the rails and power source than an ablative projectile will do to the target.

[[ http://launchloop.com/ZeroToEighty ]] | Switched coilguns ]] ( later renamed [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Driver | "mass drivers" ]] ) require vastly expensive high speed electronic switching to route impulse power from some storage source to create a fast moving magnetic field gradient that drives the projectile. The conductive projectile develops high currents to resist the field, which are proportional to the force; huge forces mean enormous ohmic heating, which can melt or even vaporize the conductor.

This crazy crap, this herd of elephants in the closet, is why I looked for alternatives in the late 1970's and early 80's and after many failed attempts came up with the launch loop. Which may also be a failed attempt, but I spent 40 years, not 40 minutes, trying to find fatal show-stoppers, instead finding many fascinating solutions for problems that can be profitably applied to many other global problems.

=== To recap ===

MoreLater Bullet point summaries, gotta go hiking in the sunshine!

People keep writing about this nonsense. I don't pretend to have all the answers for the Launch Loop, either, but there are no freshman physics show-stoppers. Granted, there are many difficult advanced-degree problems to solve, but those are, as my late friend Robert Forward said, "mere engineering details".

A Mountain of Myths about Space Launch

Altitude

Density

Year

Record

km

atmos.

0.0

1.00

Standard density 1.225 kg/m³, varies

8.848

4.07e-1

1953

Everest, Highest Mountain

37.65

4.62e-3

1977

Highest Airbreathing Manned Aircraft

41.4

2.66e-3

2014

Highest Altitude Manned Balloon

53.0

5.86e-4

2002

Highest Altitude Unmanned Balloon

99.0

5.49e-7

"in" the atmosphere, national airspace

100.0

4.58e-7

Legal Boundary of Space

101.0

3.83e-7

"out of" the atmosphere, international

160.0

1.01e-9

rapidly decaying single orbit

200.0

2.1e-10

practical short term orbit

400.0

2.3e-12

International Space Station

orbit decays 2 kilometers per month

Space is high vacuum. Zero lift for wings or balloons. The legal boundary of 100 km (the Kármán line ) is convenient but entirely arbitrary; it is twice as high as any atmospheric vehicle can fly or float, and half as high as any practical satellite can orbit. Tourist suborbitals to 100 km (like SpaceShipOne ) are not practical spacecraft, merely dangerous and ostentatious displays of wealth, somewhat like climbing Mount Everest but without the exercise or the strenuous accomplishment.

Real space is orbit, and the lowest practical orbit is 200 km. Even that is far too low for a large, high-drag object like ISS, which requires frequent reboost to compensate for air drag, even though the air is 2 parts per trillion of the density at sea level. That is a difficult number to grasp - a volume of "ISS vacuum" as big as AT&T Stadium in Texas (104 million cubic feet, 3 million cubic meters) would fit in 7 cubic centimeters, half a tablespoon, if compressed to sea level density.

A 400 kilometer drop from Space Station altitude, zero orbital velocity

If you were suddenly transported to 400 km altitude (in a space suit) and dropped from there, you would not orbit the Earth, You would fall down, your vertical speed increasing rapidly. After 260 seconds, you would plunge through the 100 km altitude Kármán line at 2330 meters per second, 8 times the speed of sound at that altitude, but you would notice nothing, a 0.3 Pascal pressure force added to the 100 kPa (100,000 Pascal( air pressure in your suit.

Things get frisky during your final 40 second plunge deep into the atmosphere, approaching a terminal velocity of 2700 m/s. At 7.1 kilometers altitude (higher than all mountain peaks in the Western Hemisphere), the air density is about half of sea level. However, the wind pressure beneath you is 40 times air pressure, about 400 tonnes per square meter; you would be smashed to jelly, though you would not burn up like a (vastly faster) small meteor.

  • Actually not, you slam on the brakes at a higher altitude. You will stop accelerating and slow down when the drag pressure equals gravity. If your effective drag area is 1 square meter and you and your suit weigh 100 kilograms, then 1000 Pascals of pressure will start slowing you down at an atmospheric density around 170 ppm of surface, around 60 kilometers up. Air density (and drag pressure) doubles every two seconds, so within 10 more seconds of downward plunge, your suit will be ripped off by turbulence, and you will be crushed by gee forces.

Meteors arrive at 15 to 30 thousand meters per second. Orbital velocity is around 8000 meters per second, and air drag force is proportional to velocity squared. So, entering at orbital velocity is about 9 times the drag force of a 400 kilometer plunge, and vastly more than encountered by SpaceShipOne, though 4 to 14 times lower than a meteor. Meteors (and reentering spacecraft) slow down higher in the atmosphere; the smallest meteorites may burn up, but most hit the ground at bullet speed, with a charred surface and a frozen (by deep space) center. As we tragically learned in the catastrophic entry of Columbia, vehicles are ripped to shreds in the middle atmosphere (70 km for Columbia, air density 70 ppm of surface density), but most fragments impact the ground intact.

  • Launch Loop (2017 design) vehicles reach orbital velocity at 100 km altitude, 0.5 ppm of surface density, so the drag pressure is 140 times lower. Passenger vehicles may fail to enter orbit (they require an additional small rocket burn half an orbit later, to circularize the orbit at destination altitude), and must be capable of reentry, but these will be heat-shield and parachute reentries into the ocean, perhaps 20 degrees west of the launch loop for vehicles intended for low earth orbit destinations, and 100 degrees west for GEO-bound vehicles.

Takeaway lesson: Reentry slowdown occurs 50 to 80 kilometers above the surface, and the slowdown forces double every 5 kilometers deeper into the atmosphere.

Mountains

7000 meter mountains seem impressive to 2 meter human beings, but they are trivial bumps compared to the depth of the atmosphere or the 12,740,000 meter diameter of the Earth. Scaled to the diameter of a 57mm billiard ball, these mountains would be 30 micrometers high; P500 fine-grit polishing-grade sandpaper. Indeed, a 100 kilometer joyride to the "edge of space" is only half a millimeter compared to the billiard ball - beard stubble.

The excuse for space-launch schemes involving mountains is that the air is thinner up there, less drag. But remember that the space shuttle Columbia was torn apart by aerodynamic forces at 70 kilometers altitude, where air density is 70 ppm of surface density. The air at the top of Mount Everest is 400,000 ppm of surface density, 6,000 times higher. Columbia was slowing from orbit, reentering, not trying to punch through the atmosphere into orbit.

400 km altitude low earth orbits follow the curve of the earth, the equivalent of 2 millimeters above the surface a the billiard ball. Practically speaking, they are parallel to the surface.

  • On a round airless body like the Moon, an orbit can skim relatively close to the surface; the Apollo 11 command module orbited 62 kilometers above the Moon, and could have orbited down to 15 km ([citation needed], that is perilune for the initial LM descent orbit) for an emergency rendezvous with a disabled lunar module. For comparison, the cruise altitude of the Concorde SST was 17 to 18 km, and the U2 flew at 21 km altitude.

Transfer orbits in vacuum, like the ascent of the lunar module, are zero-gee ellipses; at the peri-apse (closest) and apo-apse (farthest) portions of their orbits, they are also parallel to the surface of the body they orbit. They oscillate radially, smoothly, and their radial distance approximates a sine wave if the difference between periapse and apoapse is relatively small. For Earth, periapse is called perigee, and apoapse is called apogee. For other bodies:

peri = near

apo = far

general

periapse

apoapse

Earth

perigee

apogee

Moon (as "Luna")

perilune

apolune

Moon (as "Selene")

periselene

aposelene

Moon (as "??????")

pericynthion

apocynthion

Sun (as "Helios")

perihelion

aphelion

Star ( as "astra")

periastron

apastron

If a mountaintop launch is into an elliptical transfer orbit (say, to LEO) that transfer orbit is parallel to the Earth's surface, and travels thousands of kilometers through very thick atmosphere. Much thicker atmosphere (6000 times denser) than spacecraft of average density use to slow down and reenter.

"Ah", I can hear you object, "of course won't launch parallel, we will launch up the side of the mountain, going up through the atmosphere at a steep angle).

I don't know about the mountains of your imagination, but the tall mountains that I know about are rarely steeper than 40 degrees from base to peak. From the Khumbu ice fall to the peak of Everest is a 28 degree slope, 2.8 kilometers vertical rise in a 5.1 kilometer horizontal distance. A deep tunnel dug from Everest base camp in the west to the peak of Everest in the east would cover about 7.6 kilometers of horizontal distance, and 3.5 kilometers vertical distance, perhaps 8500 meters of curved then flat sloped acceleration track.

Good luck digging that tunnel, and connecting gigawatts of power lines to it.

A vehicle accelerating in a vacuum tunnel from 0 to 8000 meters per second over 8500 meters distance must accelerate at a = v^2 / 2 d = 8000² / 2 * 8500 = 3765 m/s², or 385 gees. You will spill your drink, as you are smashed into goo of the same consistency. If this is a 5000 kilogram vehicle, near the exit it will require a power level of P = m a v = 5000 * 3765 * 8000 = 150 gigawatts, 9% of all of China's 1650 gigawatts of electric generation.

When the vehicle containing your liqufied remains leaves the vacuum tunnel, it will slam into a wall of 0.45 kg/m³ air at an altitude of 8.5 km (below cruise altitude for most jet passenger aircraft). Assuming a 1 square meter vehicle cross section times drag coefficient, the drag force is 0.45 * 8000² = 28.8 MegaNewtons, which will slow down the vehicle by 5760 m/s², or about 590 gees. Tough luck - in the remaining atmosphere, you will lose all your velocity and smack into the next mountain to the west of Everest.

Even if we send the atmosphere off to the cleaners to scrub out all US and Chinese electric generation exhaust, our troubles are not over. You are leaving the Earth at a 30 degree angle, not horizontal to the surface; you will be in an ellipse that intersects the Earth. your velocity is 8000 meters per second, but your horizontal velocity is "only" 8000 cos( 30⁰ ) = 6930 m/s Using equations from this Server Sky page, we learn that the semimajor axis for a launch at circular orbit velocity but elevated above the surface by an angle of 30⁰ results in an eccentricity e = sin( 30⁰ ) = 0.5, to the perigee is (1-e) a = 3193 km, and the apogee is (1+e) a = 9579 km. This orbit will arc above the earth for an apogee about 90⁰ to the east, then slam into the Earth's surface about 180⁰ to the east, on the far side of the earth.

With a large additional delta V at apogee, the perigee can be raised above the Earth, but sadly, your apogee rocket will get smashed to goo by the launch acceleration.

Oh - and how are you going to do that accelerator? Railguns are ablative, and do more damage to the rails and power source than an ablative projectile will do to the target.

http://launchloop.com/ZeroToEighty | Switched coilguns ]] ( later renamed "mass drivers" ) require vastly expensive high speed electronic switching to route impulse power from some storage source to create a fast moving magnetic field gradient that drives the projectile. The conductive projectile develops high currents to resist the field, which are proportional to the force; huge forces mean enormous ohmic heating, which can melt or even vaporize the conductor.

This crazy crap, this herd of elephants in the closet, is why I looked for alternatives in the late 1970's and early 80's and after many failed attempts came up with the launch loop. Which may also be a failed attempt, but I spent 40 years, not 40 minutes, trying to find fatal show-stoppers, instead finding many fascinating solutions for problems that can be profitably applied to many other global problems.

To recap

MoreLater Bullet point summaries, gotta go hiking in the sunshine!

People keep writing about this nonsense. I don't pretend to have all the answers for the Launch Loop, either, but there are no freshman physics show-stoppers. Granted, there are many difficult advanced-degree problems to solve, but those are, as my late friend Robert Forward said, "mere engineering details".

MountainMyths (last edited 2017-04-28 19:09:19 by KeithLofstrom)